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ryan was defending romney. what was biden doing, defending his mom and dad, the 47%, the middle class. and that's the message that the obama information wanted out there. we are fighting, we are passionate, we go overboard maybe a little bit in defense of the middle class and wanted to keep ryan bollixed up. >> pelley: one of the subcontexts is voters might be looking at both men thinking which one of these guys could be president and that goes to norah's point that vice president biden was sort of looking askance at paul ryan and sort of taking advantage of his youth. >> reporter: i think there's a down side, potentially, to that. the knock against the clinton administration that the romney people are trying to play on is that they're arrogant. they've gotten kind of lax. they've gotten settled with themselves. and this notion that kind of you can laugh off the things-- that could for some voters come across as a little bit too proud of yourself when you have presided over an economy that's this week. >> pelle
ryan was defending romney. what was biden doing, defending his mom and dad, the 47%, the middle class. and that's the message that the obama information wanted out there. we are fighting, we are passionate, we go overboard maybe a little bit in defense of the middle class and wanted to keep ryan bollixed up. >> pelley: one of the subcontexts is voters might be looking at both men thinking which one of these guys could be president and that goes to norah's point that vice president biden...
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unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have seen about undecided was done by any major network was cbs and it was pretty clear who won the debate amongst uncommitted voters, ryan 31%, biden 50%. he smashed him which was my reading of it in the moment. >> look, people are voting right now in ohio. so if you've made up your mind in ohio and you watched last night's debate, you were energized and went out to the polls and voted, that makes an impact on the election. governor romney can't win without ohio. there are, there is a narrow sliver of voters that are still in play in some of these states. i thin
unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have...
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, romney tax cut plan. did either side make the case that their tax ideas were better? >> no is the answer. but what kills me is this president extended the tax cuts last year with the rationale that you don't increase taxes during a recession. >> but trying to pin paul ryan down on the specifics of what deductions he would get -- what he would take away to fill in that $5 trillion or whatever it is, and he wouldn't answer the question. >> , first of all, neither side has done that, and the little pbs comment from the last debate led to all sorts of big bird -- what paul ryan and what mitt romney said during the campaign is, when president reagan sat down, it was democratic leadership, everything is on the table. hit's get it done. we both know that, because we've both been there. we've both been part of compromises. >> when you heard him refuse to give any specifics without a win for the democrats. >> i think it's going to be a win for those people who really take it seriously. the fact is, it doesn't add
, romney tax cut plan. did either side make the case that their tax ideas were better? >> no is the answer. but what kills me is this president extended the tax cuts last year with the rationale that you don't increase taxes during a recession. >> but trying to pin paul ryan down on the specifics of what deductions he would get -- what he would take away to fill in that $5 trillion or whatever it is, and he wouldn't answer the question. >> , first of all, neither side has done...
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you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during the debate thought ryan looked a little bit smug at times. ryan, of course, is young, he has to worry about looking like the junior varsity against the older guy. bottom line, i don't think anybody dominated the debate but i thought ryan did well and i think basically what we've done is set the table for the debate next week with obama and romney. that is going to determine what the next pivot in this race is. >> john, just to bring up a couple of points. we did have an informal poll on cnbc, about 3,000 people wrote in, based on what they have been writ
you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists...
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i think there's going to be an effort to try to pin ryan down as to what he believes and what romney believes. there's a theme there that biden can work with. ryan has been quite specific in his career, the details of his specificity in the past is different from what romney believes now. if biden can exploit that and makes it took like they are hiding their true intention that's what the obama people are praying for in terms of a good outcome. >> john dickerson, thank you. >>> "fortune" magazine is out this morning with a new "40 under 40" list. it rates the top 40 nifrtinnova in the field. marissa myer, ceo of yahoo! is number three. mark zuckerberg is number two. and number one is larry page who is co-founder and ceo of google and google partner is sergey brin also in the top five. guess who else is on the list. we're feeling prouder than usual. there he is, our cbs news president david rose he cracked the top ten. did we see david rose at the newsstand buying 50 copies of the magazine? >> we have to get chris on that list our executive producer. a new survey finds 1/3 of all work
i think there's going to be an effort to try to pin ryan down as to what he believes and what romney believes. there's a theme there that biden can work with. ryan has been quite specific in his career, the details of his specificity in the past is different from what romney believes now. if biden can exploit that and makes it took like they are hiding their true intention that's what the obama people are praying for in terms of a good outcome. >> john dickerson, thank you. >>>...
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isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you listen very carefully to what romney always says, he says he's going to cut rates 20% and then he's going to see to it that those at the top don't pay a larger share of the total tax burden. well, that means that they're going to get a huge decrease in their tax bill. that's the important element. that is the ryan/romney plan, it is to create dynastic wealth which i think would be devastating
isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that...
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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...
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romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's vote. with this walkback, this attempted and failed walkback that happened within the last 24 hours from the romney campaign, do you think that's going to have an impact there? >> yeah. there's some interesting data that came out in the last few days which i think is what was initially behind what mitt romney said, taking a more moderate position on abortion. first you had this poll that came out in ohio, showing obama ahead of romney by four. the gender gap in this thing was astounding. among men, romney had a 16-point lead in ohio. among women, 60-38, obama. that is like a 38-point gender gap. i have not seen someth
romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's...
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ryan had to defend mitt romney and that's a tough place to be in but i think people that i talked to thought ryan did a fine job. it was not like the obama/romney debate where everybody thought not only did romney win but obama lost. >> and the vice president nominee did not do as well as expected john edwards for one and sarah palin perhaps. >> no harm to the ticket or his future prospects. >> the other question is what about joe biden in terms of what he did with respect to his prospects if, in fact, president obama would not win, then he could be a cain himself? >> the interesting thing is the jokey joe, libya situation. libya is dead serious and getting worse by the day for the white house and so you see the funny joe but there's nothing funny about libya. that's the story that maybe lives on past this. >> that's the story in the headlines. >> people say there's still clean up to to be done on that >>> the average stroke victim is getting younger every year. we'll show you you a new alarming new study and how you can lower your risk after the break. chili's lunch break combos sta
ryan had to defend mitt romney and that's a tough place to be in but i think people that i talked to thought ryan did a fine job. it was not like the obama/romney debate where everybody thought not only did romney win but obama lost. >> and the vice president nominee did not do as well as expected john edwards for one and sarah palin perhaps. >> no harm to the ticket or his future prospects. >> the other question is what about joe biden in terms of what he did with respect to...
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now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you think the president will be up to it now that the bar's been raised next week? >> we'll see. >> you're still undecided. >> yes. >> sam, you're still undecided. you gave me an answer earlier. you said, you know, they've been running for president for months and months and months. you have the internet, newspapers, radio, tv. you're getting bombarded by ads here. why can't you make up your mind? >> as i said before, we work for a living. you know, a lot of us get up at 4:00 a.m., go to work for 12, 14 hours. we're at home with our kids. we're not doing thi
now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you...
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romney ryan were down 4 to romney biden but now they were up 12 with 44 percent with democratic side 32 percent. another key number are the voters were unsure they want somebody else. that number shot up 6 points after the debate. the debates have the potential to move the needle quite a bit. with four weeks to go joe biden has been prepping for his in delaware with chris van holland playing ryan. the president handicapped tonight's big show down. >> joe just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective seeker but his ideas are the wrong ones. >> ryan has a chance to let voters decide for themselves. he had ted olsen as a stand in. he is trying to shine the spos spotlight on to someone who won't be on the stage tonight, president obama. >> what i am excited about we get to offer the american people a very clear choice. joe biden has been on these big stages before. it's the my first time. he can't run away from president obama's indefensible record. >> in kentucky they will debate at center college. it will have a broad spector of foreign and domestic issues supposed to
romney ryan were down 4 to romney biden but now they were up 12 with 44 percent with democratic side 32 percent. another key number are the voters were unsure they want somebody else. that number shot up 6 points after the debate. the debates have the potential to move the needle quite a bit. with four weeks to go joe biden has been prepping for his in delaware with chris van holland playing ryan. the president handicapped tonight's big show down. >> joe just needs to be joe. congressman...
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ryan effectively counter the infamous 47% mitt romney quote? >> no. no. and you didn't play biden's response there. he said i always say what i mean and so does governor romney. that was a wonderful response to that comment. the 47% is not a made up thing. it is what governor romney believes. >> the 47% riff by biden was the best part of the debate for him. he said what are you talking about? my folks i grew up with in scranton, my neighbors my parents that was the best thing for biden in the whole thing. >>> did you observe that part buchanan is glorifying here? >> i agree biden was very effective with that argument and it set you want something for ryan to attempt to discount it by saying ryan is full of all these gaffes all the time but i didn't think it came across as effectively as they wanted it do. it got a laugh but didn't kill the argument biden was making about the 47%. >>> when we come back, the benghazi blame game. you spent years hard at work, building your skills and talents, raising your family. and lately, like me, you're probably feeling
ryan effectively counter the infamous 47% mitt romney quote? >> no. no. and you didn't play biden's response there. he said i always say what i mean and so does governor romney. that was a wonderful response to that comment. the 47% is not a made up thing. it is what governor romney believes. >> the 47% riff by biden was the best part of the debate for him. he said what are you talking about? my folks i grew up with in scranton, my neighbors my parents that was the best thing for...
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big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, qu
big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line,...
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couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said. he put out a number of tax cuts whether it's the estate tax, lowering everyone's rate by 20%, getting rid of the amt, payroll tax, number of tax cut he put on the table. the sum of the tax cuts is $5 trillion. >> bret: he said in the debate? you capped it, set a cap you could reach it. tax policy center which you cite, campaign cites says that you could reach the number that he is talking about -- >> no, it didn't say that. if you could reach the number -- you could add up the deduction and loopholes to $5 trillion if you raise taxes on the middle class
couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said....
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>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >> mitt romney's tax proposals, because he has said that he can cut taxes without blowing up the deficit, without being deficit neutral, and at the same time keep defense spending. >> yeah. >> increase the defense budget. how does that work? >> governor romney said he can lower marginal tax rates and generate offsetting revenue so we don't increase the side of the deficit. >> how do you generate that? >> you reduce the number of write-offs and loopholes in some combinations. >> which would you reduce? he's not been specific. >> he's provided more specificity than t
>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >>...
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congressman ryan did a great job in explaining governor romney's position on those. i also think that -- >> go ahead. >> avoided mistakes and the vice president didn't. his statements on benghazi as you've been covering andrea, are going to be an ongoing problem for the administration. they really just enhanced the contradictions in the administration's policy. >> there were other issues for paul ryan, though, when it came to medicare and tax policy that have been questioned. what about the differences over medicare, health care? he said that there were no -- that there was no study, no statistics that show increased costs in ryan one in the first medicare proposal which the congressional budget office says is not the case. ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you
congressman ryan did a great job in explaining governor romney's position on those. i also think that -- >> go ahead. >> avoided mistakes and the vice president didn't. his statements on benghazi as you've been covering andrea, are going to be an ongoing problem for the administration. they really just enhanced the contradictions in the administration's policy. >> there were other issues for paul ryan, though, when it came to medicare and tax policy that have been questioned....
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we cannot fall in the policies of romney ryan. when you ask yourself what is at stake who do you trust for your families and with your future and will have your back have president obama back stand up for him one more time and continue to move forward with the policies of president obama. with that allow us to bring up someone who has been a champion been an al lie and a friend to us forsome years, someone who has stood by the side of the p president over the last few years. someone who can speak to his character and say he's the same man when we met him many years ago. let us bring up our brother mr. love. >> that was a fiery speech right there. so first and foremost thanks for everyone being here today. it's a beautiful day in norfolk. and this beautiful campus, it remind me of north carolina a little bit. >> thank you for all your hard work. i've had the pleasure of working with president obama even before we all called him president. he was the same as he is now extremely intelligent, extremely diligent. he's a patriot that ex
we cannot fall in the policies of romney ryan. when you ask yourself what is at stake who do you trust for your families and with your future and will have your back have president obama back stand up for him one more time and continue to move forward with the policies of president obama. with that allow us to bring up someone who has been a champion been an al lie and a friend to us forsome years, someone who has stood by the side of the p president over the last few years. someone who can...
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ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that small, medium-sized entrepreneur who's really a job creation engine. a quarter of all those jobs are in the hands of those folks and they're reacting negatively to the threat of higher taxes. it's one of the reasons that we've seen i think this confidence and lack of uncertainty suffer out there. in other words, people just don't know. we don't actually, larry, have a tax code really. 60 some provisions expired at the end of 2011, 40 some more are expiring this year. thog is known, nothing is certain and that's part of that big looming fiscal cliff that needs tore cleared up. paul ryan has a plan to do that. >> john harwood? >> governor engler, i just want to ask you about two economic issues. one national
ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that small, medium-sized entrepreneur who's really a job creation engine. a quarter of all those jobs are in the hands of those folks and they're...
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have to do more explaining and in the first hour he did a better job hitting at romney than ryan did hitting at obama. i think ryan, though, was, came across as ernest, knowledgeable and polite, whereas especially in that first hour, joe biden was clearly playing b cable debate rules, which is interrupt and talk over your opponent at will. i think al is right that is going to enthuse democrats. i am not sure how it is going to play with undecided voters. me personally and i am not an undecided veert it came across as off putting, obnoxious and rude and i can guarantee that on the shows tomorrow morning and in the cable discussion going forward, tomorrow and into the weekend the biden smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rose: mark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big iss
have to do more explaining and in the first hour he did a better job hitting at romney than ryan did hitting at obama. i think ryan, though, was, came across as ernest, knowledgeable and polite, whereas especially in that first hour, joe biden was clearly playing b cable debate rules, which is interrupt and talk over your opponent at will. i think al is right that is going to enthuse democrats. i am not sure how it is going to play with undecided voters. me personally and i am not an undecided...